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"Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724" by N7DOT

added 08 Nov 2013 17:32

Solved 6/6

Cooked 0/6

Difficulty 3.50

Style 5.50

Rigidity 3.66

Shortest Solution
Name Original

Length 44 moves

By N7DOT

On 08 Nov 2013 17:32

Comments (turn spoilers off)

18788 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 N7DOT (2227) Sun 08 Dec 2013 23:11 SPOILER

Finally got to exit #1!

18775 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 N7DOT (2227) Sun 08 Dec 2013 00:29

I still am unable to get to exit number 1... Pesky bots! I'm wondering though, Dave, if uploading a modification attempting to force escaping through the upper exit using minimalistic and 'just barely impossible' fixes to block the other doors (and removing the deadly aspect of the laser maze) would spoil the version you were intending to upload. If not, then once I can *actually* get to door 1 maybe I'll upload such a modification and call it 'The Accidental Puzzle' or something like that.

18537 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 Dave (2400) Mon 11 Nov 2013 16:29 SPOILER

Correction: Exit 1 - 156.

18536 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 Dave (2400) Mon 11 Nov 2013 16:23 SPOILER

Found it, changed one of the bots: exit 1 - 164. Much easier solution than my earlier one.

18535 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 Dave (2400) Mon 11 Nov 2013 15:54 SPOILER

Had another look at exit 3, now down to 82. As for exit 1 ... hmmm.

18534 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 Jim (2369) Mon 11 Nov 2013 15:13 SPOILER

Solved 3 in 90 moves.

18532 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 Jim (2369) Mon 11 Nov 2013 14:06 SPOILER

Dave, I solved 1 in 165 moves. Still havent figured out 3 or 4.

18531 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 mark (2878) Mon 11 Nov 2013 14:05

All exits done 1 and 3 are the best.
I'd allready done the others and had not even seen these two.
Boosted up the style points 7 levels in 1 what a bonus.
Great spot Dave look foward to your mod if you make it.

18527 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 Dave (2400) Mon 11 Nov 2013 01:05 SPOILER

I already got the point, N7, I've been experimenting already. I want to keep the original level intact as much as possible, if this is feasible is, at this stage, indeterminate. If it proves otherwise, I have the funamental idea for a funny level.

Go to the Escape FB page, I'm the last person to leave a comment, find me and PM me. Then I'll explain.

18526 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 N7DOT (2227) Mon 11 Nov 2013 01:02

This sounds big. actually, scratch that out. This sounds HUGE.

18525 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 Dave (2400) Mon 11 Nov 2013 00:51

Correction: Give me a couple of weeks :)

18524 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 N7DOT (2227) Mon 11 Nov 2013 00:49

Just make sure that, if your version is supposed to replace this one in being a candidate for veryfunny then make sure to mention the level's comments in the title ;)

18523 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 Dave (2400) Mon 11 Nov 2013 00:01

If this is going to get into Very Funny it needs a completely new twist not a mod. I have an idea... it might just work, give me a couple of days :)

18521 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 Dave (2400) Sun 10 Nov 2013 23:20

So, thanks to N7, the new par score is 678. It should come down a bit yet. I'm still on 679...

18520 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 Dave (2400) Sun 10 Nov 2013 23:14 SPOILER

That is exit 3, so I've wasted a move on that one somewhere. Obviously, 2,5,6,7 are easy to solve. Exit 1 is the fun one... I'll think about a mod, it wouldn't be a bad 'intermediate' level, should be worth a 5, but blocking the others without making it obvious or leaving a cook won't be easy. I know 200 is not optimal, I just haven't bettered it yet.

Crossword order is standard 'western' reading order: prioritised by row number first, then column number, starting top left.

18518 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 N7DOT (2227) Sun 10 Nov 2013 21:21 SPOILER

Also, although i'm not familiar with 'standard crossword numbering', the exit sharing a space with a transponder can be reached in 94 moves.

I wonder if this level will actually be able to get into veryfunny (as that's pretty much the only way this level would be played by most new players in the future)

18517 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 N7DOT (2227) Sun 10 Nov 2013 21:08

Oh yes, it is 7 alright. There's that one buried within the dalek cave in the lazer maze, opposite of the more obvious exit.

18516 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 N7DOT (2227) Sun 10 Nov 2013 21:06 SPOILER

Note that there are some VERY SIGNIFICANT SPOILERS in this comment. Although admittedly the level is rather easy if you go hrough the heart collection or bot maze.

Dave, I originally intended to have examples of 'bad' levels with no solutions and one just barely ok level that was solvable, but since I thought that might confuse players, so I changed it to only poor-style levels. I did not get rid of the anti-solution mechanisms, however. If any of the solutions are significantly more difficult, feel free to adapt them (obviously removing low-style bits in all cases where such is possible.) The top left door with the two bots and the lazer maze ones were supposed to be impossible.

Also, I only counted five exits, unless you include the sleeping door in the upper left room, which now that I think about it would be better as a stop sign or something.

18515 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 Dave (2400) Sun 10 Nov 2013 20:11 SPOILER

That's an aggregate of 679 moves for the 7 exits. Any further bids?

18514 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 Dave (2400) Sun 10 Nov 2013 20:09 SPOILER

I understand this probably defeats the object of the level but...

We could have a little speedrun contest with this one. Numbering the exits in standard 'crossword' order: I currently have 1-200, 2-81, 3-95, 4-71, 5-102, 6-86, and 7-44.

I must confess that I didn't immediately spot that you had made all the exits available, I thought some of them were purely for misdirection...

18509 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 N7DOT (2227) Sun 10 Nov 2013 15:56

Gil, that's partly the point. The level wasn't intended to be hard or stylish, but to make a point.

18477 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 Gil Anthony (1368) Sat 09 Nov 2013 09:06

way to easy...

18463 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 N7DOT (2227) Fri 08 Nov 2013 17:33

The title is also purposeful so players will actually see these comments and be able to respond to feedback. Overall this level is supposed to help out to prevent more annoying levels.

18462 Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724 N7DOT (2227) Fri 08 Nov 2013 17:32

'Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724' uploaded by N7DOT:
This is supposed to help new players avoid level types that are not usually appreciated by most veterans here or other players that have been active for more than a year. Here is a list of what the types shown are (please do not use these as inspiration for new levels)

Top left: Mostly blank or unimportant with obvious solution: Usually dissapears from triage.

Top Right: Tedious/Guessing/Suprise Deaths: Please don't make these. Period.

Middle Right: Tedious/Guessing/Teleport Scramble: These are usually boring, and often overlap with Suprise Deaths too.

Bottom Left: Bot Rampage: These get a bad reputation, especially if you add Daleks and/or if there is no obvious strategic placement.

Bottom Center: Tedious/Heart Collection: These are usually very boring most of the time. Don't use hearts to fill blank space, please.

Bottom Right: Tedious/Broken Fill and Tedious/Maze: Pure mazes are usually not very interesting; if you like mazes there are plenty of sites that will make you happy, I'm sure. Filling space with broken grey blocks is just as boring as filling with hearts, unless the fill actually adds some challenge other than time (which isn't a problem). In this example I made it so that the beginning part has to be redone, which has *actually* been used in levels and is NOT fun!

We enjoy getting new players, but these types of levels usually dissapoint us and lead to the new player feeling like they don't belong.

Feel free to move this into /veryfunny ; it would probably fit well there, as most new players see that and play it before most of the rest of Triage.

Comments (turn spoilers off)

18788	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	N7DOT (2227)	Sun 08 Dec 2013 23:11	SPOILER
	Finally got to exit #1!

18775	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	N7DOT (2227)	Sun 08 Dec 2013 00:29
	I still am unable to get to exit number 1... Pesky bots! I'm wondering though, Dave, if uploading a modification attempting to force escaping through the upper exit using minimalistic and 'just barely impossible' fixes to block the other doors (and removing the deadly aspect of the laser maze) would spoil the version you were intending to upload. If not, then once I can actually get to door 1 maybe I'll upload such a modification and call it 'The Accidental Puzzle' or something like that.

18537	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	Dave (2400)	Mon 11 Nov 2013 16:29	SPOILER
	Correction: Exit 1 - 156.

18536	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	Dave (2400)	Mon 11 Nov 2013 16:23	SPOILER
	Found it, changed one of the bots: exit 1 - 164. Much easier solution than my earlier one.

18535	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	Dave (2400)	Mon 11 Nov 2013 15:54	SPOILER
	Had another look at exit 3, now down to 82. As for exit 1 ... hmmm.

18534	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	Jim (2369)	Mon 11 Nov 2013 15:13	SPOILER
	Solved 3 in 90 moves.

18532	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	Jim (2369)	Mon 11 Nov 2013 14:06	SPOILER
	Dave, I solved 1 in 165 moves. Still havent figured out 3 or 4.

18531	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	mark (2878)	Mon 11 Nov 2013 14:05
	All exits done 1 and 3 are the best. I'd allready done the others and had not even seen these two. Boosted up the style points 7 levels in 1 what a bonus. Great spot Dave look foward to your mod if you make it.

18527	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	Dave (2400)	Mon 11 Nov 2013 01:05	SPOILER
	I already got the point, N7, I've been experimenting already. I want to keep the original level intact as much as possible, if this is feasible is, at this stage, indeterminate. If it proves otherwise, I have the funamental idea for a funny level. Go to the Escape FB page, I'm the last person to leave a comment, find me and PM me. Then I'll explain.

18526	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	N7DOT (2227)	Mon 11 Nov 2013 01:02
	This sounds big. actually, scratch that out. This sounds HUGE.

18525	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	Dave (2400)	Mon 11 Nov 2013 00:51
	Correction: Give me a couple of weeks :)

18524	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	N7DOT (2227)	Mon 11 Nov 2013 00:49
	Just make sure that, if your version is supposed to replace this one in being a candidate for veryfunny then make sure to mention the level's comments in the title ;)

18523	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	Dave (2400)	Mon 11 Nov 2013 00:01
	If this is going to get into Very Funny it needs a completely new twist not a mod. I have an idea... it might just work, give me a couple of days :)

18521	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	Dave (2400)	Sun 10 Nov 2013 23:20
	So, thanks to N7, the new par score is 678. It should come down a bit yet. I'm still on 679...

18520	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	Dave (2400)	Sun 10 Nov 2013 23:14	SPOILER
	That is exit 3, so I've wasted a move on that one somewhere. Obviously, 2,5,6,7 are easy to solve. Exit 1 is the fun one... I'll think about a mod, it wouldn't be a bad 'intermediate' level, should be worth a 5, but blocking the others without making it obvious or leaving a cook won't be easy. I know 200 is not optimal, I just haven't bettered it yet. Crossword order is standard 'western' reading order: prioritised by row number first, then column number, starting top left.

18518	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	N7DOT (2227)	Sun 10 Nov 2013 21:21	SPOILER
	Also, although i'm not familiar with 'standard crossword numbering', the exit sharing a space with a transponder can be reached in 94 moves. I wonder if this level will actually be able to get into veryfunny (as that's pretty much the only way this level would be played by most new players in the future)

18517	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	N7DOT (2227)	Sun 10 Nov 2013 21:08
	Oh yes, it is 7 alright. There's that one buried within the dalek cave in the lazer maze, opposite of the more obvious exit.

18516	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	N7DOT (2227)	Sun 10 Nov 2013 21:06	SPOILER
	Note that there are some VERY SIGNIFICANT SPOILERS in this comment. Although admittedly the level is rather easy if you go hrough the heart collection or bot maze. Dave, I originally intended to have examples of 'bad' levels with no solutions and one just barely ok level that was solvable, but since I thought that might confuse players, so I changed it to only poor-style levels. I did not get rid of the anti-solution mechanisms, however. If any of the solutions are significantly more difficult, feel free to adapt them (obviously removing low-style bits in all cases where such is possible.) The top left door with the two bots and the lazer maze ones were supposed to be impossible. Also, I only counted five exits, unless you include the sleeping door in the upper left room, which now that I think about it would be better as a stop sign or something.

18515	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	Dave (2400)	Sun 10 Nov 2013 20:11	SPOILER
	That's an aggregate of 679 moves for the 7 exits. Any further bids?

18514	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	Dave (2400)	Sun 10 Nov 2013 20:09	SPOILER
	I understand this probably defeats the object of the level but... We could have a little speedrun contest with this one. Numbering the exits in standard 'crossword' order: I currently have 1-200, 2-81, 3-95, 4-71, 5-102, 6-86, and 7-44. I must confess that I didn't immediately spot that you had made all the exits available, I thought some of them were purely for misdirection...

18509	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	N7DOT (2227)	Sun 10 Nov 2013 15:56
	Gil, that's partly the point. The level wasn't intended to be hard or stylish, but to make a point.

18477	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	Gil Anthony (1368)	Sat 09 Nov 2013 09:06
	way to easy...

18463	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	N7DOT (2227)	Fri 08 Nov 2013 17:33
	The title is also purposeful so players will actually see these comments and be able to respond to feedback. Overall this level is supposed to help out to prevent more annoying levels.

18462	Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724	N7DOT (2227)	Fri 08 Nov 2013 17:32
	'Level comments: escape.spacebar.org/f/a/escape/level/3724' uploaded by N7DOT: This is supposed to help new players avoid level types that are not usually appreciated by most veterans here or other players that have been active for more than a year. Here is a list of what the types shown are (please do not use these as inspiration for new levels) Top left: Mostly blank or unimportant with obvious solution: Usually dissapears from triage. Top Right: Tedious/Guessing/Suprise Deaths: Please don't make these. Period. Middle Right: Tedious/Guessing/Teleport Scramble: These are usually boring, and often overlap with Suprise Deaths too. Bottom Left: Bot Rampage: These get a bad reputation, especially if you add Daleks and/or if there is no obvious strategic placement. Bottom Center: Tedious/Heart Collection: These are usually very boring most of the time. Don't use hearts to fill blank space, please. Bottom Right: Tedious/Broken Fill and Tedious/Maze: Pure mazes are usually not very interesting; if you like mazes there are plenty of sites that will make you happy, I'm sure. Filling space with broken grey blocks is just as boring as filling with hearts, unless the fill actually adds some challenge other than time (which isn't a problem). In this example I made it so that the beginning part has to be redone, which has actually been used in levels and is NOT fun! We enjoy getting new players, but these types of levels usually dissapoint us and lead to the new player feeling like they don't belong. Feel free to move this into /veryfunny ; it would probably fit well there, as most new players see that and play it before most of the rest of Triage.